Sources (including books)Posted by Kim Pierri Fri, February 15, 2019 07:07:17
start by reading the general history of the period by an acclaimed historian,
could be Niel Price or Else Roesdahl.
Then I would
read a retelling of the myths. It could be Norse Mythology by Niel Gaiman.
After that I
would read a book about norse religion. A classic would be Myth and Religion of
the North: The Religion of Ancient Scandinavia by Turville-Petra, but that is
hard to get hold on. It could also be something like Scandinavian Mythology by
Hilda Ellis Davidson.
Then I would
read the sources.
Edda/The Poetic Edda (two names for the same work) is a collection of poems, most of them date back
to heathen time. The Havamal many talk about is part of this collection. Read a
modern translation of the complete set of poems. Could be the one by Jackson
Crawford or Andy Ochard. Its always good to have several translations at hand
to compare, when I doubt. Don’t read the thee 100 year old translations from
the net as your first choice or all those “study Havamals” from internet shops.
Be a little
more cautious with the younger Edda. It’s the Christian Snorri Sturlassons
interpretation of the poems of The Poetic Edda. Its an important source, but
has to be used with care. Read also a modern translation. I would suggest the
one by Anthony Faulkes. That book can actually be found for free online
good to read The Sagas of the Icelandars, The Heroic Sagas, Saxo and Snorris
Heimskringla. As always read the modern translations if possible. The elder
translations are usally is a hard to read language and has sometimes been altered
to fit the morality of the time of the translation.
Then I would
go on to other books, because I now have a good broad understanding of the
history and myths. A lot of books about Germanic/norse and the runes religion
by modern practiceners have a lot of modern ideas an ideology. That is what is
to be expected. If you have a broad understanding before reading those, you can
see what is what.
Some of the
Elder stuff can be bought fairly cheaply from used bookstores, like Abebooks or
the Amazon sellers. It is also a good idea to use inter-library loans if your
local library doesn’t have the books.
MiscellaneousPosted by Kim Pierri Thu, December 06, 2018 08:54:19
about a picture on “The Viking Way” Facebook group. I made this version with
definitions you see below this text.
a post-medieval Icelandic symbol. It only survive in the Huld Manuscript from
1880. The text going with the symbol in the manuscript is "if this sign is
carried, one will never lose one's way in storms or bad weather, even when the
way is not known".
Around the Vegvísir
a sentence from Tolkiens poem “All that is gold does not glitter” written in
Elder Futhark. The text says: “Not All [those] Who Wander Are Lost”. The text
in the brackets are only in the poem, not on the picture.
seem to be a modern design and the tree design is properly inspired by the trees
on “The Gate of Moria” as I see it, but is clearly Ask Yggdrasil with its 3
WarriorsPosted by Kim Pierri Tue, November 20, 2018 14:25:52
The artcile is i Danish, i will soon make an english translation.
I artiklen “Tattooed
Vikings? A look at medieval body art” på medievalists.net skriver Minjie Su “He
also describes images of wild boars that the Aestyans or the amber-gatherers
‘wear’ to honour and invoke protection from the Mother of the Gods. ‘This alone
serves them for arms, this is the safeguard of all, and by this every
worshipper of the Goddess is secured even amidst his foes. Rare amongst them is
the use of weapons of iron, but frequent that of clubs.’ The boar tattoo, if
Tacitus can be trusted, offers an interesting comparison to the animal design
of the Scots.”
Min latinske viden er ikke særlig stor, så derfor er jeg nødt
til at kigge på oversættelser af Tacitus. Jeg har et par stykker, så dem har
jeg kigget igennem. Det der er interessant er henvisningerne til Aestiskernes
Stamme og deres brug af vildsvin som beskyttelse i kamp. Det citerede stykke (fra
kapitel 45.2) lyder jo som om der er tale om billeder på kroppen. Når jeg
kigger i de oversættelser jeg har, så kan jeg ikke finde belæg for denne
I den nyeste danske oversættelse (Taticus: Germania, oversat
af Allan A. Lund, Wormianum 2016) står der ”Som symbol på deres tro bærer de
alle figurer af vildsvin, og det er typisk for dem at gå med denne talisman i
stedet for våben”
I Taticus: Germania og Agricola oversat af H. H. Lefolii udgiver
at Bonde og Bonde forlag 1966 står der ”Som et til denne gudetro hørende mærke
bærer de genstande, der har skikkelse af Vildsvin”
I Tacitus: Germania 1 oversat af Niels Bruun og Allen Lund (Wormianum
1974) står der ”Som symbol for deres tro bærer de figurer af Vildsvin”.
Jeg kan som sagt ikke latin, men når nu alle de oversættelser
omtaler talismænd/genstande/figurer, så er der nok ikke tale om tatoveringer.
Artiklen jeg omtaler findes her: http://www.medievalists.net/2018/05/tattooed-vikings-a-look-at-medieval-body-art/?fbclid=IwAR0FfDbOILaPz4SRHj0FGBVQFK7Omb5LL2koDf-iA0lvd5w0zQBfVGIpoFU
MiscellaneousPosted by Kim Pierri Fri, August 18, 2017 10:58:00
will appear regularly in different Facebook pages.
When I read
the Meme I feel it makes four statements, and I will look into each:
1. Jord was
the first wife of Odin and mother of Thor.
true, it can be attested in the lore (look for references in Simek; Dictionary
of Northern Mythology: p. 179)
(Jord) was also known as mother Earth
This is a
bit harder. I can’t seem to find any reference to anyone in ancient Scandinavia
talking about a “Mother Earth”. It’s mainly a modern concept used to associate
the same function in different mythologies around the world. It is not clear to
Ymir, the giant from which Midgard was made and me the relationship with the
3. Her name Jord was pronounces Yard
know which lauguage it is referring to, I don’t know old norse but in modern
Scandinavian language Jord are pronounced different from the English Yard.
literally means Earth or Land! And is why we call parsel of land a Yard
with the English word Yard. There are two origins of the word yard. The first
one are the measurement from the Old English word Gerd, meaning Stick/rod (from
the yardstick that was used to measure length). This is not the word referred
to in the Meme.
meaning of Yard are a "patch of ground around a house" from Old
English geard or Old Norse garðr. (source http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=yard&fref=gc)
looked at the danish word Jord, and it has its origin in the Old Norse word
jörð and the old english word eorþe. From http://ordnet.dk/ddo/ordbog?query=jord
So you see,
that the old Norse/Scandinavian word Jord for earth/soil/goddess have different
old Norse and old English origins. So there are no common origin between the
I will add an
observation here, that the English word Yard has a connection to the Old Norse
word garðr (fence), which are part of Old Norse Miðgarðr (Midgard), which are
one of the 9 worlds and the world the humans live in. But saying that because
Midgard are the fenced area where the humans lives and a fenced area around you
house are the same word is a bit of a stretch. I will also say that we don’t
know if the Goddess are Jord are associated with Midgard, or maybe the soil.
MigrationPosted by Kim Pierri Mon, July 17, 2017 10:38:01
Daily Report made some time ago another fake news story about Vikings in North
America. This time they concocted story about a Viking settlement near the town
of Cheboygan, on the coast of Lake Huron. You can se the fake story here:
This story was
published by World News Daily Report, which are a homepage with intentional
fake news. They write in their disclaimer: “WNDR assumes however all
responsibility for the satirical nature of its articles and for the fictional
nature of their content. All characters appearing in the articles in this
website – even those based on real people – are entirely fictional and any
resemblance between them and any persons, living, dead, or undead is purely a
much information in the fake story. I days that 194 artifacts has been found by
an amateur archeologist and that the Department of Archaeology of the
University of Michigan are going to take over the site. The other information
in the article are some of the artifacts. As in the fake story, they made about
the Mississippi Viking Ship, they have borrowed the picture from a real archeological
excavation. The artifacts in the article was found in Steinkjer near Trondheim
Source for the picture: https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.dk/2013/07/finds-hint-at-major-viking-trade-centre.html#P8ZCtUeL2Tk3Hd03.97
WarriorsPosted by Kim Pierri Fri, April 21, 2017 10:21:19
are sharing the following Meme at the moment
thing that’s true in that meme are that it is mind blown.
come from a modern game named Skyrim and was invented to make some guards have a
conversation. For more information see this link
TechnologyPosted by Kim Pierri Thu, February 02, 2017 08:40:45
debate in the Facebook group “Norse Rune Writing/Translating” I became aware,
that some people seems to think that the runes was invented in the Bronze Age. Then
asked for sources guy who proposed the very early date could just say “i cant remember which old dusty book i found it in ...i
dont have to show you the road though. you need to do more research .”.
So I decided to do a bit of research.
What do the
Lisbeth M. Imer,
Runologist at The National Museum of Denmark say in her book: Danmarks Runesten
- En fortælling” 2016 says that the runes was properly created in the
environment of the nobility in the second or third century CE (p. 30).
Jensen, archeologist at The national Musem of Denmark wrote in his work:
“Danmarls Oldtid -Ældre Jernalder“ 2003 write that the oldest inscriptions we
know, are from the late second century, but that runes may be a bit elder,
because Tacitus in about 100 CE that the Germanic people use marks cut in twigs
to take omens from. (The original text can also be seen here: http://denstoredanske.dk/Danmarks_Oldtid/%c3%86ldre_Jernalder/Et_nyt_aristokrati_200-400_e.Kr/Den_f%c3%b8rste_skrift )
Lotte Hedager from Oslo University wrote in Politikens Danmarkshistorie,
bind 2 Danernes land (1988) that the runes must have been invented
around the time of Christ, but that the first inscriptions are from the first
century and that the use of runes became more common around year 200. (p 310)
(The original text can also be seen here: http://denstoredanske.dk/Danmarkshistorien/Danernes_land/%C3%86ldre_germansk_jernalder-Folkevandringstiden/Gyldne_tider/Futharken_-_det_%C3%A6ldste_runealfabet )
quite clear that the runes was created in the start of the Common Era sometime
between year 1 and 200. Why would someone then think that the runes went back
to the Bronze Age (1700-500 BC), which are 500 years before the earliest date
of the runes?
I tried to
google “Bronze Age Runes” and found a couple of pages.
one I found was Oswald The Runemakers page (http://www.runemaker.com/history.shtml ). He says: “Rune-like symbols
appear as cave markings as early as the late Bronze Age (circa 1300 BC), and
they are mentioned in the Bible, but their use in ritual and as an Oracle for
consultation must certainly pre-date their use as a system of writing.”. The
page seem to be a shop, where “Oswald” are seeling runeset for divination.
I found was History of The Runes from a Wicca group http://www.wolfmoongrove.com/Rune%20Info%20Pages/rune_history.htm
wrote: “Before the Germanic peoples of ancient Western Europe possessed a true
alphabet, they used pictorial symbols to carve into stones their ideas and
thoughts. Pre-runic symbols, or hällristningar, have been found in various
Bronze Age rock carvings, primarily in Sweden. Some of these symbols are
readily identifiable in the later alphabets, while others represent ideas and
concepts that were incorporated into the names of the runes (sun, horse, etc.)
The earliest known examples of these pictorial writings date from about 1300
BCE and may have been linked to Sun and Fertility cults … These
pictoglyphs later evolved into the more abstract glyphs composed of lines
resembling no particular objects. That
there was great power endowed to those who were adept at the use of these
glyphs is indicated by the name given to the glyphs themselves. These glyphs were called Runes, from the
Gothic Runa, meaning “a secret thing, a mystery.” “
article has references, but they are to two articles from 1898 and 1928. As you
have seen in the references, I have made to moderns scholars, not what scholars
are from people using runes for magic/divination and not as part of a
historical research. When you read the homepages it also become clear that it’s
not the rune-letters they are referring to. They interpret the figures on the
Bronze Age carvings as having the same symbolic meaning as they think the runic
letters have. This symbolic meaning are interpreted from the medieval rune
poems written down very late (about 1500 years after the end of the Bronze
It is fine in
you religious practices to use pictures from Bronze Age Rock Carvings to
represent the symbols you get from the Rune Poems, but there are no evidence
for runes being from the Bronze Age.
MiscellaneousPosted by Kim Pierri Tue, December 06, 2016 10:12:58
I have many times seen this manipolated picture on Facebook:
followed by this text:
The myths are an storehouse of infinite knowledge. They speak of the
Midgard Serpent lying at the bottom of the see. He encircles the globe and when
he moved great earth trembles cause terrible convulsions. Most believe this is
just a tale, but the ancient knew of his existence at the bottom of the oceans.
Now, with modern technology, we can see for ourselves that the Myths were
true--he does exist. But how did primitive Norsemen know of this
great belt of fissions at the bottom of the oceans? Perhaps they were not
primitive as most people think they were? Did they have knowledge passed down
to them from thousands of years earlier, in a time when their ancestors had
built an advance civilization, more advance than ours' today? But when it
collapsed, their knowledge were encoded in Myths passed down from generation to
generation? Take a look at the maps once more and think about it. - unknown
It is funny
and might be an interpretation of the myth into modern cosmology we can use
today, but the thing about “advance civilization,
more advance than ours' today” are at best silly and a little insulting to our
ancestors, who did amazing things with the technology available to them. Notice
that the map is manipulated. The lines they have highlighted are boundaries
between tectonic plates, but they have just selected those that fit with what
they want you to see. Humans are experts to notice patterns and if you condition
people to see a pattern they will do so.
Most of the boundaries they have chosen are the
mid-ocean ridge, but not all. The ridges at the west coast of Greenland are
very small and not active anymore and in the pacific there are only ridges in
short areas along the Californian coast and none along the Aleutian Islands. On
the map above the mid-ocean ridge are colored red. I have modified the original map to show this. Notice how the serpent has disappeared.
have chosen to include the destructive line along the Californian coast and the
destructive boundary along The Aleutian Islands. If they decided to include
island arcs and destructive plate boundaries, then there are plenty of more
places that need to be included in the picture. They are included as lines with
lumps on in the picture. If you include all of them, then there are no serpent either. Se the map below.